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		<title>By: &#8216;Playful Identities&#8217; research blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Web and Beyond: Mobility (1) - Adam Greenfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8216;Playful Identities&#8217; research blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Web and Beyond: Mobility (1) - Adam Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 01:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] public spaces less attractive to dwell in, and a lot of junk space and privatized commons [although Martijns&#039; recent post shows how these kind of spaces are re-appropriated by [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Mobile City &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Web and Beyond: Mobility (1) - Adam Greenfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mobile City &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Web and Beyond: Mobility (1) - Adam Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 01:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] public spaces less attractive to dwell in, and a lot of junk space and privatized commons [although Martijns&#8217; recent post shows how these kind of spaces are re-appropriated by [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Yule Heibel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yule Heibel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your thinking around this topic, Martijn.  (Blogged it just now, too -- http://tinyurl.com/6e93q6 )  It&#039;s somewhat creepy to entertain, but really you&#039;re describing ways that life reproduces, using technology  -- which in turn is something that has to be taken seriously.  

(Meanwhile, let me continue to dwell in my old-fashioned almost-downtown neighbourhood -- I don&#039;t think I could handle the suburbs!)

@Michiel and the question of 3rd places: great points!  There&#039;s an article I saw via Regine&#039;s &quot;We Make Money Not Art&quot; blog, in the Economist (April 10/08): &quot;The new oases; Nomadism changes buildings, cities and traffic,&quot; which you might find interesting, too.  See: http://tinyurl.com/6nhzvy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your thinking around this topic, Martijn.  (Blogged it just now, too &#8212; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/6e93q6" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/6e93q6</a> )  It&#8217;s somewhat creepy to entertain, but really you&#8217;re describing ways that life reproduces, using technology  &#8212; which in turn is something that has to be taken seriously.  </p>
<p>(Meanwhile, let me continue to dwell in my old-fashioned almost-downtown neighbourhood &#8212; I don&#8217;t think I could handle the suburbs!)</p>
<p>@Michiel and the question of 3rd places: great points!  There&#8217;s an article I saw via Regine&#8217;s &#8220;We Make Money Not Art&#8221; blog, in the Economist (April 10/08): &#8220;The new oases; Nomadism changes buildings, cities and traffic,&#8221; which you might find interesting, too.  See: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/6nhzvy" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/6nhzvy</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michiel de Lange</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michiel de Lange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Martijn! These are very good questions indeed. 

What interests me is the kind of self-presentations that are performed in these new mediatized urban spaces. They seem to be neither about a purely public identity (front stage), nor a private identity (back stage - using Goffman&#039;s well-known distinction). Instead, a kind of &#039;playful identities&#039; are performed, in between work and leisure. The concept of &quot;third places&quot; is often used to denote the new places where urbanites do work ánd socialize at the same time. You have &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.themobilecity.nl/2007/12/27/towards-a-starbucks-urbanism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posted about Starbucks urbanism&lt;/a&gt; in an earlier post, which exactly fits this idea. Since those places tend to exclude younger people through various mechanisms, and young people in their teens/early twenties don&#039;t frequent these spots for various reasons, teens look for their own &quot;third places&quot; where they are neither at work (in school) nor at home (in their private sphere). Just like their older counterparts in the cafés - who are in the presence of other people yet working on their own laptops while listening to music on earphones -  what these young people do is a strange mixture of being within one&#039;s own group, and being on display to others. They both here and there; inaccessible and shut-off physically, yet opening up for- and being available through new media; present at the physical location but also thinking about the media places they are performing for. What this means for new kinds of co-presence is indeed easier to ask than to answer.

A second thing I find interesting is how a particular type of &#039;urban-ness&#039; is performed by choosing these specific locations. It appears these places seem nodes in a &quot;street culture&quot; mental map of what the (suburban) city looks like. It&#039;s a different kind of urban imagination from the type of social and cultural nodes of the self-proclaimed creative class, exemplified best perhaps - again! - by the coffeehouse. The question is whether and where the &quot;street&quot; and &quot;coffeehouse&quot; conceptions of the (sub)urban meet. Are they totally incompatible? Is it only a matter of age difference? In a funny way, I guess you could see the work you describe as a kind of meeting between both types of urban imagination: street culture brought into the museum/art context (although it seems kind of one-way).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Martijn! These are very good questions indeed. </p>
<p>What interests me is the kind of self-presentations that are performed in these new mediatized urban spaces. They seem to be neither about a purely public identity (front stage), nor a private identity (back stage &#8211; using Goffman&#8217;s well-known distinction). Instead, a kind of &#8216;playful identities&#8217; are performed, in between work and leisure. The concept of &#8220;third places&#8221; is often used to denote the new places where urbanites do work ánd socialize at the same time. You have <a href="http://www.themobilecity.nl/2007/12/27/towards-a-starbucks-urbanism/" rel="nofollow">posted about Starbucks urbanism</a> in an earlier post, which exactly fits this idea. Since those places tend to exclude younger people through various mechanisms, and young people in their teens/early twenties don&#8217;t frequent these spots for various reasons, teens look for their own &#8220;third places&#8221; where they are neither at work (in school) nor at home (in their private sphere). Just like their older counterparts in the cafés &#8211; who are in the presence of other people yet working on their own laptops while listening to music on earphones &#8211;  what these young people do is a strange mixture of being within one&#8217;s own group, and being on display to others. They both here and there; inaccessible and shut-off physically, yet opening up for- and being available through new media; present at the physical location but also thinking about the media places they are performing for. What this means for new kinds of co-presence is indeed easier to ask than to answer.</p>
<p>A second thing I find interesting is how a particular type of &#8216;urban-ness&#8217; is performed by choosing these specific locations. It appears these places seem nodes in a &#8220;street culture&#8221; mental map of what the (suburban) city looks like. It&#8217;s a different kind of urban imagination from the type of social and cultural nodes of the self-proclaimed creative class, exemplified best perhaps &#8211; again! &#8211; by the coffeehouse. The question is whether and where the &#8220;street&#8221; and &#8220;coffeehouse&#8221; conceptions of the (sub)urban meet. Are they totally incompatible? Is it only a matter of age difference? In a funny way, I guess you could see the work you describe as a kind of meeting between both types of urban imagination: street culture brought into the museum/art context (although it seems kind of one-way).</p>
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